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Mesmer in Need · Jul 16, 2009, 04:04 AM // 04:04

Elfen Lied and Neon Genesis Evangelion were two of my favorites, and not just for the boobs and cool actions scenes. I loved the in depth (as well as sad) stores behind them.

On the lighter side I also loved Lucky Star, Azumanga Diaoh (hilarious), Melancholy, Cowboy Bebop, Abenobashi, as well as may others. Currently I'm watching Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann- made by the same people as NGE and FLCL. Some episodes are hilarious and badass at the same time.

I never really got into long drawn- out animes like Naruto or Bleach, mainly for the fact that it would take too much attention span to get through the entire series. I used to watch DBZ a long time ago when it was on Cartoon Network, and even though I didn't know it, I was getting myself into anime.

As a side note, watching the AMV Hell series when you recognize all the anime's is pretty fun.

DreamRunner · Jul 16, 2009, 04:19 AM // 04:19

A lot of anime that some people have mentioned is very, very bad. Elfen Lied is so bad it makes me puke but If you enjoy it, more power to you, however it still doesn't make it good. I do not associate with any anime fans, mostly because I hate 99% of all of it and lets be honest, anime is mostly for kids and teenagers.

I will mention one because not only is there is a reference to it in Guild Wars, it is also very well made and I wish they're more like it. However, having adult themes in an anime is hard to come across.

Now and Then, Here and There(Ima, Soko ni Iru Boku)

Winterclaw · Jul 16, 2009, 04:25 AM // 04:25

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lets be honest, anime is mostly for kids and teenagers

Yes, because ep. 26 of Excel Saga is so PG-13.

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However, having adult themes in an anime is hard to come across.

You are either watching all the right anime or all the wrong anime, depending on who you ask.

DreamRunner · Jul 16, 2009, 04:54 AM // 04:54

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Originally Posted by Winterclaw

Yes, because ep. 26 of Excel Saga is so PG-13.

You are either watching all the right anime or all the wrong anime, depending on who you ask.

Oh please, everyone has referenced Bleach or other popular animes that are for teenagers. If you wanted to have more adult themes, you will need to read manga or play visual novels. There is a reason why a lot of anime that comes from manga and visual novels have been watered down, It is because a lot of anime is targeted towards a younger audience. Cowboy bebop almost didn't appear on Japanese TV(TV Tokyo) because of the level of violence and even still, it only showed 5 episodes.

I haven't watched a lot of anime in a very long time. But, by what people have recommended, they're is no reason too either. It is funny, because a lot of anime fans can't deal with the idea that much content of what they're seeing is for kids and teenagers, but whatever.

arcanemacabre · Jul 16, 2009, 05:21 AM // 05:21

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Originally Posted by DreamRunner

It is funny, because a lot of anime fans can't deal with the idea that much content of what they're seeing is for kids and teenagers, but whatever.

Really? I always got the impression that they love being perpetual kids. I mean come on, they dress up like their favorite characters at conventions and play with figurines! Personally, I am a cartoon (in general) fanatic. Doesn't matter the intended age range, and gore/violence/sex/bad language doesn't make something immediately awesome, either. Though I do enjoy my fair share...

I freely admit that I am a kid at heart. I still love vidja games, aye?

carbajac · Jul 16, 2009, 07:54 AM // 07:54

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Originally Posted by DreamRunner

lets be honest, anime is mostly for kids and teenagers.

having adult themes in an anime is hard to come across.

Dude, you can't say most of the mentioned anime is bad if you don't like it to begin with. Um, a lot of anime is not based around Naruto and Yugioh themes. Just because they're animated doesn't mean they're for kids. Elfen Lied is awesome.

Heck even DBZ was largely adult themed. Which I forgot to mention, DBZ is a must, even if it's loooong and incredibly drawn out. It's a staple and the later sagas are great.

And I forgot Inuyasha, one of my previous favorites until I found out there was no ending. >_< It was very upsetting. Still a good>

arcanemacabre · Jul 16, 2009, 09:17 AM // 09:17

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Originally Posted by carbajac

And I forgot Inuyasha, one of my previous favorites until I found out there was no ending. >_< It was very upsetting. Still a good>

Ah! My wife, who loves anime much more than I, actually just found this that I think you'll find quite cool:

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news...nime-green-lit

Bryant Again · Jul 16, 2009, 09:41 AM // 09:41

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Originally Posted by riktw

elfen lied
higurashi no naku koro ni
@ naruto and bleach fans, dont watch the above anime's to bloody for you

little warning for the younger people here, blood + gore + naked women:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-mvgP9GIhY

Dear god, the part 1 of ep 1 was all it took.

-"We just have to be 2 meters away from her and we're fine! But let's stand still just in case!"
-Why does she have to use the girl's body to block the bullets when she wasn't finding bullets much of a problem after decapitating the last 20 mobs? Was she losing power or something?
-Apparently sniper bullets get through to her. That or she wasn't paying attention or lost or power or I dunno.
-In pt 2 she becomes your typical annoying "OMG WHY SO HIGH PITCHED" anime teenager. HURRRKK

Either way, the very beginning was what through me off. Take it away, Yahtzee.

Abedeus · Jul 16, 2009, 10:06 AM // 10:06

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

Dear god, the part 1 of ep 1 was all it took.

-"We just have to be 2 meters away from her and we're fine! But let's stand still just in case!"
-Why does she have to use the girl's body to block the bullets when she wasn't finding bullets much of a problem after decapitating the last 20 mobs? Was she losing power or something?
-Apparently sniper bullets get through to her. That or she wasn't paying attention or lost or power or I dunno.
-In pt 2 she becomes your typical annoying "OMG WHY SO HIGH PITCHED" anime teenager. HURRRKK

Either way, the very beginning was what through me off. Take it away, Yahtzee.

Well, way to jump to conclusions so far. But okay, since it looks like most of the people have read the manga/watched the anime, it won't be much of a:

SPOILER SPOILER, mild one.

Her powers are called "Vectors". They are invisible, spectral hands that are indestructible, can go through humans and have impossible strength. But they can resist, depending on the power of the user, only a certain amount of Joules. So while deflecting normal bullets is easy, anti-tank sniper rifle gunshots are more than enough to break her concentration.

Her hands are only 2 meters long, but she makes up for that with a bigger strength than other of her kind. Why did she use the body as a shield? No idea, in the manga she used the girl as a hostage, backed off to the door, and then ripped her head off.

Oh, and she has to focus on using the hands. So if someone manages to wound her, the pain will break the focus and hands won't work.

Also, while it looks like that's some kind of experimental soldier, she was born this way. Every child that has those "hands" is the next step in human's evolution. But while it gains incredible powers, it also loses its gentle nature. By the age of 3.5, the child usually kills both of its parents and everyone who gets near. But they don't want to kill them, they want to control and rehabilitate those kids.

Why did she change to a stupid anime whiny idiot? That's a pretty huge spoiler, let's just say for now that she is suffering a trauma after the headshot.

sph0nz · Jul 16, 2009, 10:22 AM // 10:22

Some of my favorites are Code Geass, Death Note, Neon Genesis Evangelion, Ghost in the Shell, Ergo Proxy, and Serial Experiments Lain. I also enjoyed Cowboy Bebop, Samurai Champloo and Fullmetal Alchemist. I'm in the process of watching .hack//SIGN, RahXephon, Trinity Blood, and Bakemonogatari. I also plan on watching Elfen Lied and Gundam 00 among other things.

Oh, also Lucky Star and the Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya.

I'm really sick of powerlevel shonen fighting anime bullshit like Bleach, Naruto and One Piece. Although I enjoyed Gurren Lagann mildly because it parodies all of those.

Ryan Bucek · Jul 16, 2009, 10:30 AM // 10:30

Ghost in the Shell
Naruto
Bleach
Blood the last vampire
Black Lagoon
Inuyasha
Neon Genesis Evangelion
Lupin III
FMA
Cowboy Bebop
Vandread
Getbackers
Deathnote

runite ringleader · Jul 16, 2009, 10:45 AM // 10:45

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Black Lagoon

I watched the whole series of Black Lagoon and its pretty awesome. Aimed at adults due to its content but its recommended if you want loads of action.

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Cowboy Bebop

Doesn't seem like there's anything special about this anime. It's pretty standard and I prefer others like Naruto, Bleach, FMP etc. Over this. But it's still enjoyable and worth watching.

Lets use the EDIT button next time shall we?

Bryant Again · Jul 16, 2009, 11:12 AM // 11:12

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Originally Posted by Abedeus

Well, way to jump to conclusions so far...

That's not me jumping to conclusions. That's just me not being sold on this anime, and while I appreciate you explaining all the (crazy as hell and ridiculous) reasons, I've just been turned off by this show in the first 15 minutes.

artay · Jul 16, 2009, 11:21 AM // 11:21

Saying anime is mostly for kids and teenagers is highly redonkulous, the shojo and shonen markets (the ones most people people are convinced are kiddie ones, which is partly the way western companies portray them) make up only a share in an incredibly diverse market of genres, alot specifically targetted at adults.

I don't think hentai is for kids.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josei_manga
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seinen_manga

DreamRunner · Jul 16, 2009, 11:22 AM // 11:22

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Originally Posted by carbajac

Dude, you can't say most of the mentioned anime is bad if you don't like it to begin with. Um, a lot of anime is not based around Naruto and Yugioh themes. Just because they're animated doesn't mean they're for kids. Elfen Lied is awesome.

Heck even DBZ was largely adult themed. Which I forgot to mention, DBZ is a must, even if it's loooong and incredibly drawn out. It's a staple and the later sagas are great.

And I forgot Inuyasha, one of my previous favorites until I found out there was no ending. >_< It was very upsetting. Still a good>

I can say its bad because I watched it. But since you didn't quote me correctly, I am going to think that you are a teenager or one of the people that I mentioned in my previous post. I could say many reasons why Elfen Lied is bad, I have said them already in a previous thread. But why is it good? I will say that the story s full of plot holes and is directed horribly.

DBZ is adult themed? Right and the target audience for DBZ is....... young TEEN's, good work! But since you are poised with stupidity, I am going to ask a question and I really want to know because I think some people just created it. What are Naruto and Yugioh themes?

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Originally Posted by arcanemacabre

Really? I always got the impression that they love being perpetual kids. I mean come on, they dress up like their favorite characters at conventions and play with figurines! Personally, I am a cartoon (in general) fanatic. Doesn't matter the intended age range, and gore/violence/sex/bad language doesn't make something immediately awesome, either. Though I do enjoy my fair share...

I freely admit that I am a kid at heart. I still love vidja games, aye?

I do agree with you that "gore/violence/sex/bad language doesn't make something immediately awesome". But lets be look at the target audience and whats associated with it by limiting what the characters and themes that are targeted towards kids and teenagers, it limits the options on what the characters and themes can and cannot do.

It doesn't necessarily make the anime bad or good, however anime fans try to spice up the idea of how anime isn't not for kids, children or teenagers. Yet, as you said they're anime fans that dress up and go to conventions but completely void the idea what they're doing is an theme associated with children.

Are there Anime that breaks away from it at time to time? Sure. But they're reasons why the majority of anime romances, drama and other genre's are with characters that are have the protagonist or main characters being portrayed as school kids.

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Originally Posted by artay

Saying anime is mostly for kids and teenagers is highly redonkulous, the shojo and shonen markets (the ones most people people are convinced are kiddie ones, which is partly the way western companies portray them) make up only a share in an incredibly diverse market of genres, alot specifically targetted at adults.

I don't think hentai is for kids.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josei_manga
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seinen_manga

redonkulous? lol wut?

*sigh* Shōjo and Shōnen make up a huge majority of anime shows. It is why a lot of content in anime from manga or visual novels are watered down.

Lets use the EDIT button next time shall we?

Okay, but aren't you being condescending much?

zwei2stein · Jul 16, 2009, 12:07 PM // 12:07

Gantz is good tip.
Gilgamesh, if you want to screw your mind.
Gainax-made stuff is usually good and worth watching.

Paranoia Agent will mess you up ... in a good way. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-anabfAg06U

Bryant Again · Jul 16, 2009, 12:15 PM // 12:15

Oooh I LOVED Paranoia Agent! I can't believe I forgot that one!

Regina Buenaobra · Jul 17, 2009, 12:20 AM // 00:20

It's been ages since I've watched anime (TV series) in huge quantities. You'll probably notice that some of these are older.

The last anime I watched was the first 12 or so eps of Ghost in the Shell: Standalone Complex.

But for what it's worth, anime I've enjoyed (no particular order):

Vision of Escaflowne
Devilman Lady
Serial Experiments Lain
Ghost in the Shell (1st movie)
Now and Then, Here and There
Anything by Studio Ghibli, but especially: Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind and Princess Mononoke
Full Metal Alchemist
Maria-sama ga Miteru
Neon Genesis Evangelion
Brother, Dear Brother
Revolutionary Girl Utena
Macross Plus
Macross: Do You Remember Love?
Please Save My Earth
Akira
Perfect Blue
Millennium Actress
Tokyo Godfathers
Rurouni Kenshin (only up to episode 60; I'm told that after ep 60, it goes downhill)
Rurouni Kenshin: Trust and Betrayal OAVs
Tenchi Muyou (1st OAV series)

I can't really remember any more, but those are the ones that came to mind.

carbajac · Jul 17, 2009, 12:21 AM // 00:21

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Originally Posted by DreamRunner

But since you didn't quote me correctly, I am going to think that you are a teenager or one of the people that I mentioned in my previous post.

DBZ is adult themed? Right and the target audience for DBZ is....... young TEEN's, good work! But since you are poised with stupidity, I am going to ask a question and I really want to know because I think some people just created it. What are Naruto and Yugioh themes?

Yet, as you said they're anime fans that dress up and go to conventions but completely void the idea what they're doing is an theme associated with children.

Are there Anime that breaks away from it at time to time? Sure. But they're reasons why the majority of anime romances, drama and other genre's are with characters that are have the protagonist or main characters being portrayed as school kids.

I quoted whole thoughts and I didn't change your words. In answer, the themes I'm referring to are going to school, dealing with bullies, having a crush, making friends, impressing your teacher, taking a test.

I have no doubt that DBZ was targeted toward young teens, what themes exist in the show are different things, not completely, but they are different. If you watch unedited versions of the show, you'd find that there are more adult themes, it's sexual, violent, and there's a lot of death, although they fluff it out with the whole being wished back deal. This is not to say there are some teen themes involved, but it's largely more adult themed than Naruto, I'd say.

Just because kids are the main characters in the story, does not automatically make it directed at kids. Even some cartoons in the U.S. have children main characters in adult themed shows. Plus, Japanese culture is what it is, not saying this in any mean way, but different things are acceptable there than they are here and vice versa.

It's unfortunate that you can't get past this, there are really good stories that are told and are quite engaging. Ghost in the Shell has a quite unique premise and Neon Genesis (which I keep putting off watching) apparently gets real intricate if you can get through the main characters whining in the beginning.

Elfen Lied is awesome...the girl gets quartered! It has a good story to boot and they cover a lot of ground in just 13 episodes.

I have no comment on the con mentality, people will do what they do, I won't change that. People dress up and go to the Star Trek conventions, but no one will argue that that is directed at kids and teens exclusively.

Finally, Inuyasha's getting an ending eh? VERY interesting. That in itself makes my day.

Faer · Jul 17, 2009, 01:41 AM // 01:41

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Originally Posted by master of puppets

avatar the last airbender

This is not anime.

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Originally Posted by Regina Buenaobra

It's been ages since I've watched anime (TV series) in huge quantities. You'll probably notice that some of these are older.

The last anime I watched was the first 12 or so eps of Ghost in the Shell: Standalone Complex.

But for what it's worth, anime I've enjoyed (no particular order):

Vision of Escaflowne
Devilman Lady
Serial Experiments Lain
Ghost in the Shell (1st movie)
Now and Then, Here and There
Anything by Studio Ghibli, but especially: Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind and Princess Mononoke
Full Metal Alchemist
Maria-sama ga Miteru
Neon Genesis Evangelion
Brother, Dear Brother
Revolutionary Girl Utena
Macross Plus
Macross: Do You Remember Love?
Please Save My Earth
Akira
Perfect Blue
Millennium Actress
Tokyo Godfathers
Rurouni Kenshin (only up to episode 60; I'm told that after ep 60, it goes downhill)
Rurouni Kenshin: Trust and Betrayal OAVs
Tenchi Muyou (1st OAV series)

I can't really remember any more, but those are the ones that came to mind.

Newfound respect budding in my dark heart. Needs more Last Exile and LUCKY STAR though. You should work on that.